Peter Liddle - 2x2 Worker in UK

Peter Liddle is a 2x2 worker in the UK and was the companion to Percy Watkins when Percy Watkins committed suicide.

Peter Liddle

Peter Liddle publicly stated at the funeral of his companion Percy Watkins (who committed suicide) that "[Jesus Christ] said that no one is good, not even himself." Here's the exact quote and context.

One other thought, Percy was a humble man. The verse that's been coming to my mind is the time that man came to Jesus and he said 'Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.' Jesus had a lot to do with sinners, he had a lot to do with self-righteous religious people, and he had a lot to do with some of the best men living on earth at that time, and He said that no one is good, not even himself. No one is good but my Father in Heaven. We're thankful for that- that none of us are good, we all need the mercy of God - we all need the cleansing that Jesus affords, and we're grateful for the hope that we have today.

Now how in the world could someone professing to be a Christian think that Jesus Christ (God in the flesh) is not good? And to top this off, why in the world would someone be grateful that "none of us are good" (including Jesus Christ)? How in the world could you have any comfort without the perfect, good, sinless Messiah?

What the Bible Actually Says

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus Christ asked the man "Why callest thou me good?". It's a rhetorical question. He could have said "Why are you calling me 'Good Master'. Only God is good. Therefore, are you calling me 'Good Master' because you see that I am God? Jesus Christ told him to keep the commandments. The man says he did (he lied). Jesus Christ caught him in his lie, and the man went away sorrowful. The whole conversation revealed that the man loved money more than God and had broken the commandments of God. The man failed to admit his sin and need of God (the very One he was talking to. There is similar conversation with the woman at the well in John 4. But she sees her need and finally realizes who she is talking with - Jesus Christ, God: See below

Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. ....The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Joh 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.... And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

My Comments On Peter Liddle's Public Speech

  • The fact that 2x2s despise people who understand the Bible shows clearly in Peter's lack of understanding of this scripture.
  • Percy was not a humble man. Humility is our subjection to Jesus Christ, and Percy Watkins was a member of a cult that practices dangerous mind control. Percy's suicide is evidence of the destructive mind control practices of the 2x2s.
  • It's clear that Percy was trying to misinform people about what it means to be humble. He insinuated through associating those verses about Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ was humble because he didn't claim to be good. But obviously what those verses mean to Peter Liddle are a far cry from what the verses say. Jesus asked the man why he was calling him good. Jesus Christ said that only God is good. In other words, You're calling me good, and only God is good. Are you calling me good because you see that I'm God?
  • The insinuation that Percy put on those verses were clear when he rephrased the words of Jesus Christ and said that Jesus Christ claimed not to be good. The insinuations of Peter Liddle's statement is clear: If Jesus Christ is not good, then he is not God. And if Jesus Christ is not God, then Jesus Christ is a huge liar and fraud. There is no way a Christian Pastor who worships Jesus Christ could idly claim that Jesus Christ is not good. How could Jesus Christ be the sinless one, the Creator of heaven and earth etc if He is not good? Also, the 2x2 overseers and workers teach that Jesus Christ is not God, so Peter's misrepresentation of Jesus Christ supports the 2x2 religion and undermines people who were trusting Peter to tell the truth.
  • To top it off, Peter said "We're thankful for that". How in the world could someone be thankful for a Saviour to not be good? If you are a sinner and waiting for the perfect, sinless Lamb of God to take away your sins, it is not going to be a good day if you believed your Saviour was not good!
  • Not only did Peter misquote and twist the words of Jesus Christ, he did it in the same service when another worker referred to Jesus Christ as good...as in the Good Shepherd. This is another example of the confusing and contradictory teachings of the 2x2 workers who don't known their Bible, don't understand the Bible and why the 2x2 followers have such mixed beliefs and deny that Jesus Christ is God.
  • The workers deceive people through insinuation and deceiving people during their services. This is well documented. Being able to speak at the funeral of his companion who just committed suicide was another opportunity for Peter Liddle to deceive their followers and mislead as to the deity of Jesus Christ.
  • The fact that Percy's rephrasing deliberately supported the 2x2 religion and is an attack on the true being of Jesus Christ is obvious. The 2x2s use the verses surrounding Matthew 19:17 to claim that Jesus Christ is not good and therefore not God. Also, they use those verses to teach that people who want to become workers must sell everything and give it to them. So to give Peter Liddle, a worker whose occupation is preaching, the benefit of the doubt when they are at a financial advantage, is not wise. Peter Liddle and his overseer Ben Crompton make their living off of deceiving people. They literally live off their deceived followers.
  • What makes what Peter Liddle said dangerous is that the followers worship the workers. They will support the workers regardless of whether the worker teaches a false doctrine. This was evident on the message boards as people came to Peter's defense, claiming that Peter didn't misquote Jesus Christ. So as the followers tried to save face for Peter, Peter later comes back and admits it was a misquote. So now are the followers going to admit that Peter was wrong and they were wrong to claim he was right? I don't think so. I believe Peter only admitted his mistake after he saw the mess he had created.
  • Peter said "We're thankful for that- that none of us are good". This is nothing to be thankful for. That's like saying "We're thankful for that - that we are evil". There is nothing good about not being good. It is right to acknowledge that we are sinful, but being sinful is not a good thing. Does Peter even understand the basic meaning of the word "good"? He doesn't seem to. He is tossing around ideas and verses without understanding and it shows.

Peter Liddle's Reply

It's unfortunate that the sentence, "One other thought, Percy was a humble man", was not included at the beginning of the paragraph quoted, as this might have made my point clearer. Jesus' words came to mind in reference to the humility we saw in Percy. I think that every one of the numerous people present at Percy's funeral - people who knew him - would say that Percy was good; but to be called good meant very little to Percy.

That Jesus is good, and that He is divine whilst partaking of flesh and blood, I don't dispute. The last sentence, "none of us are good, we all need the mercy of God, we all need the cleansing that Jesus affords, and we're grateful for the hope that we have today", should show that I believe Jesus to be sinless and therefore able to offer us cleansing.

I acknowledge that it was a misquote to say that Jesus said, "No one is good but my Father in heaven", and apologise for having caused confusion, and possibly offence.

Peter Liddle

My Comment on Peter Liddle's Reply

  • The idea that Percy Watkins is humble is ridiculous. Percy was in a cult and did not repent from it, unless he did it right during his suicide.
  • The lack of including the phrase "One other thought...." did not change the implication Peter made of saying that Jesus Christ was not good. There is just no excuse for a man who makes his living off of preaching to make a mistake as to whether Jesus Christ is good or not. And Jesus Christ's goodness is not an example of Percy Watkins humility. Percy was nothing like Jesus Christ that we read about in the Bible.
  • For Peter to now say that people would call Percy "good" in context of saying Jesus Christ is good/God, is akin to saying that the 2x2 followers would call Percy God. Or perhaps Peter Liddle is trying to bring Jesus Christ down to Percy's level saying they are both good, and therefore it's no big deal to call Jesus Christ good even though Jesus Christ said only God is good. Either way you look at it, he's minimizing God and maximizing Percy.
  • The idea that Percy made a technical mistake in misquoting Jesus Christ is ludicrous. It was not a minor blooper. It wasn't a mistake of adding a word, it was of completely changing the interpretation of scripture to support the 2x2 teachings. It completely taught something that is totally against scripture. Unless people spoke out against it, he probably never would have replied.
  • It wasn't about causing confusion. The 2x2s are well known for not believing in the deity of Jesus Christ and not believing that Jesus Christ is God. The disgust was for the fact that Peter Liddle actually stated their perverted beliefs in public! I believe Paul wrote it clearly in his letter to the Romans.
    Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    Bold was done by me.

    Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power...

    You see, that the fulness of the Godhead dwelt in Jesus Christ.

  • You see, this is what the 2x2s have done. They use the verses around Matthew 19:17 to teach that people must sell all and give it to them to become workers. They spoil people though philosophy and vain deceit (deception) after their tradition (selling all to become a worker) and lie , using the rudiments/techniques of the world and not after Christ.
  • Peter Liddle did not come out in his reply and say that Jesus Christ is God. He said he would not dispute the deity of Christ. He didn't want to talk about it. But he would not say that Jesus Christ is God. This is common among workers. They don't want to talk about it. In fact, workers are reprimanded if they teach that Jesus Christ is God, because some followers might actually start believing in God. If they actually started believing in God, they might start obeying God and keeping the commandments of God (which they don't). I have not found a single worker that teaches to keep the commandments of God (the ten commandments).
  • Peter Liddle did not say that Jesus Christ was sinless. He said that "...should show that I believe Jesus to be sinless and therefore able to offer us cleansing." But it doesn't show his belief, because he completely contradicted Jesus Christ being sinless when he stated Jesus Christ was not good. So here again, he fails to state that Jesus Christ is good/sinless and just says that what he said before "should show his belief". Well it doesn't. And the fact that he failed simply and straight-forwardly to say Jesus Christ is good, without sin and is God is clear. What is also clear is their rejection of the fact that Jesus Christ is God, and the verses quoted above from Romans makes it clear why.

You may say to me, "Brad, you're being too harsh", "Peter was just trying to apologize." and I say "No, let me explain."

Years ago, when I was mistreated by the workers and beginning to see their craftiness and manipulation, I was talking with a worker, who quoted two verses to me and made a statement. He quoted two verses and used them in a way to insinuate they meant something different than their context indicated. And then his statement was obviously supposed to be a conclusion of those two verses. That's how we make reasoning. You state your beliefs and arrive at a logical conclusion. But his conclusion was ridiculous. So I told him, that the verses he quoted were not about the situation, and his conclusion was wrong based on those verses. He replied and told me that he simply quoted two verse and made a statemenet. In other words, he was just quoting scripture to make things sound good, and made his statement as to his intentions regardless of the scripture. And this is again what I see with Peter Liddle. His misquote got caught. His twisting of scripture got caught. The belief of the 2x2s was exposed. He admitted he misquoted scripture and doesn't want to debate it. I believe they hate the light of day.

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