Jay Wicks, Worker, Oregon
Jay Wicks is a 2x2 worker and the son of Milo Wicks a 2x2 elder in Portland Oregon.
I emailed Jay Wicks on Saturday, July 22, 2006 to learn about the things he teaches to his followers. I learned quite a few interesting things. (spelling corrected in emails for readability)
Good to make contact again.....
I've been enjoying thinking about the purity of Christ's doctrine.
We can read the Bible, pray for understanding and do what we know best.
Sometimes someone comes along and helps us with our understanding of things when they see that we're doing something wrong. By accepting the correction and following this more clear understanding, we come to know more joy in our lives.
I am grateful to have good friends that care about my soul to help me understand things that I never understood before.
As we reach a more clear understanding, more things in the Bible make sense. Things that we could not understand before.
I've got a question for you that I was surprised to learn the answer to the other day.
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
I asked this question to a Christian boy (prob about 12 yrs old) that was holding the case door open for his dad as he was putting donuts in a box for a Christian Bible study. He knew the answer and didn't even look at his Bible. Then he proceeded to tell me something that I hadn't learned in 33 years of going to meetings!
Somethings in the Bible I didn't understand before and thought perhaps the wording or translation was a bit off and just set it aside in my mind. I didn't realize at the time that what I was taught was wrong and that's why I didn't understand parts of the Bible.
Got your email and have a chance to respond to it this morning. Not a long one but helpful I hope. You mentioned a visit with a boy who helped you understand who raised Jesus from the dead, very good. You didn't mention what his response was but no doubt it was in line with the scriptures. There are quite a few verses on the subject but if someone asked me I would probably just give them a couple. I remember David Jennings telling me one time that if people don't accept a simple answer they probably won't accept a more complicated one. Romans 10:9 is a simple one... That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Another good one is Galations 1:1, Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raise him from the dead;) I mentioned that to most I would just give a couple verses (as not to overwhelm them with scriptures when just a few would do) but if you're making a study, Brad, Acts 2:32 gives it in Peter's own words. In Acts 3:15 he says it pretty much the same. In Acts 4:10 Peter declares before the Sadducees what he believes. In Acts 5:30 Peter witnesses the same before the council and the high priest. In Acts 10:40 he tells the gentiles. In Acts 13:30 he is telling the jews again, verses 33-37 mentions the same. Hope this will be of some help,
It's been really hot weather....
Thanks for your thoughts on the question.
Those are commonly taught verses that you mentioned, but the ones I had found many people leave out and don't want to talk about them.
Check out what Jesus said of himself,
John 2:19 KJV
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
He uses the words "I will raise it up" . I've checked several translastions KJV, Amplified, NIV, 21st Century King James, New American Standard and they all use the words "I will raise". I don't know Greek, but it definitely appears that the word "I" is not just a filler, but indicated by the verb eg-i'-ro which in Strongs' Concordance mentions
Probably akin to the base of G58 (through the idea of collecting one’s faculties); to waken (transitively or intransitively), that is, rouse (literally from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence): - awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-) rise (again, up), stand, take up.
They in fact mocked Jesus with his words later. I don't believe that this is a mistake in translation or Bible wording.
Again, its recorded,
Matthew 27:40 KJV
And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
So did Jesus raise himself as he said, "I will raise it up" or did God raise him up? Those that walked by him reviled him, "wagging their heads" it says.
Also these following verses indicate Jesus had power to take his life back up after he laid his life down.
John 10 KJV
16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Do you think Jesus raised himself from the dead or did God? Jesus said he would raise himself up. The apostles and disciples said that God raised him from the dead.
What do you think?
Also, Linda Brist was preaching in Gresham that she is an apostle. Did you teach in Africa that you were an apostle? Do you teach here that you are an apostle of Jesus Christ like Paul, or Peter? If not, then what office do you say you fill? (prophet, priest etc )?
Thanks for your efforts in these questions Jay.
I see where your question is coming from. Maybe looking closely at Acts 2:22-36 is the easiest way to explain where I'm coming from. Peter was speaking to some who were amazed, who doubted and some who mocked on the day of Pentecost. He pointed out that they knew of the miracles, wonders and signs that God did by Jesus Christ in the midst of them. He reminded them of what they had done to Jesus in the 23rd verse and spoke of it as the determinate counsel and forknowledge of God, in other words, that this was
planned by God before it ever happened. In the 24th verse Peter uses an old testiment prophesy to explain how and why God would raise Jesus from the dead. These verses he mentions in Psalms 16(8-11 or more)we understand to be a prophesy of the thoughts and feelings Christ would one day experience and be comforted by(quoted in verses Acts 2:25-28). Peter was saying to these people that way back in David's day this promise was given and now had been fullfilled. Paul in Acts 13(26-41) explains the same thing to
some others but uses two other Old Testament prophesies to point out this same truth (verse 32-34). I don't know if this all makes it any clearer but if it doesn't we'll just have to set it aside and accept that we can't have fellowship on this subject anyway.
Now you had another question as to whether or not I teach in Africa or here on this side that I am an apostle of Jesus Christ like Paul or Peter and if not, then what office do you say you fill? Of course to us an apostle is simply a sent one or one sent by God so I guess you could say the office I fill is indeed that of an apostle. I don't suppose I've ever preached it as I would prefer that those listening would make up their own minds. Brad, if you feel that I am not sent from God then it would seem to me a waste of your time to continue this dialog. I feel secure in who I am and am not offended if you feel otherwise.
Sincerely yours, Jay
Well, Jay Wicks felt so "secure" that he has never written to me again. Just because I quoted the scripture to him, he didn't want to have fellowship on the subject. When I started to question the lie that he was an "apostle", then he quit writing. I learned a lot about Jay and the workers from emailing him and asking him questions. I believe that if Jay Wicks understood who Jesus Christ is, then he wouldn't have had a problem talking about what Jesus Christ said and believing in Jesus Christ. I knew at this time that many/most (if not all ) of the workers don't believe Jesus is God. This email confirmed my suspicion of Jay Wicks and proved many other things as well.
- Jay doesn't believe that the Bible is true
- Jay doesn't believe Jesus Christ or what He said
- Jay doesn't understand what Jesus said about the resurrection
- Because I don't believe like Jay, he feels he cannot have fellowship
- Jay doesn't believe he's wrong on the matter, I'm the one with the problem
- Jay didn't like talking about the "apostle" thing and me asking him
- It's interesting how he gives me the 2x2 re-definition of apostle "Of course to us an apostle is simply a sent one or one sent by God so I guess you could say the office I fill is indeed that of an apostle."
- Here I see how Jay admits he would rather insinuate something (him being an apostle) and people believe it without him openly preaching what he wants them to believe (2x2s are masters at teaching through subtle guile and insinuation)
Jay Doesn't Believe in the Bible
I know that Jay Wicks doesn't believe in the Bible. He believes he is an apostle of Jesus Christ. He has been deceived and is deceiving others. I know that he is not an apostle of Jesus Christ. How? Because I believe in the Bible. Read this list of the 12 apostles and tell me if Jay Wicks name is listed:
Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
Did you see Jay Wicks name listed as one of the 12 apostles? Neither did I. Judas did betray Jesus, but he was replaced, and I guarantee you it was not by Jay Wicks.
The way to spot these deceivers is simply by believing in the Bible. It's that simple.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
I am glad that I have quit "bearing with" people who teach heresies (lies).
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
- His solution is to quit writing (Jay has learned not to talk/write to people who ask questions)
- He doesn't have good conflict resolution skills
- I am glad that I left the cult because with preachers like him, it's no wonder why so many 2x2s are miserable
Some people are confused by this page. They don't understand what went on in the emails. So I will spell it out as plainly as I can.
WORKERS don't believe in Jesus Christ. For them to acknowledged that Jesus Christ raised himself from the dead is beyond their belief, though Jesus Christ stated himself that he would do as much. If you believe what Jesus Christ said about himself, then they will not fellowship with you. They don't believe in the Bible, nor the very words of Jesus Christ.
WORKERS hate to be reminded of the facts in the Bible. If you believe in the Bible, they will shun you. If you bring up scripture that they don't like, they will avoid you. They are afraid of a reasonable conversation about the scripture. They fear the truth and if you witness to them, it reminds them of the judgments of God. Indeed, the Bible is the inspired WORD OF GOD. From what I see, they wear the clothing of the sheep but hate the nature of the sheep. They care no more for the blessed words of Jesus Christ than a sheep-clothed wolf cares for the sheep.
If you've ever been in the WORK, then you know the greatest fear of a WORKER is to realize that they have actually not been "Called" by God. Many WORKER doubt their "calling". Some have the fantasy that they are apostles of Jesus Christ. I know that Craig Jacobsen (as does Jay Wicks from his emails) fantasizes to be an apostle of Jesus Christ. While I understand they use the definition of apostle as a "sent one", then by their own usage of the definition, they are sent by Harold Bennett (since they don't believe in the words of Jesus Christ). So if they want to be called an apostle using their own definition, then Jay Wicks is an apostle of the false prophet Harold Bennett, because, in fact, Jay Wicks is sent out each year by Harold Bennett. We know in fact that Jay Wicks is not sent out by God because he does not love Christians nor fellowship with people who believe in Jesus Christ, and I quote him "I don't know if this all makes it any clearer but if it doesn't we'll just have to set it aside and accept that we can't have fellowship on this subject anyway. " Let me ask this question, "How could someone claim to be an apostle of Jesus Christ and not believe what Jesus Christ said of himself?"
If you think I'm mistaken about any of this, please write your argument clearly in the space below and put your name with it and contact information so that it can be verified. Thanks.
Warnings in Bible about False Apostles
The Bible is replete with warnings about people who lie but try to portray themselves as apostles and deceive people. Here are some verses as starting points:
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Co_11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
Rev_2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
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