Understanding 2x2 Meetings from Christian Perspective
From my experience as a worker I will share with you what goes on in a meeting and why so that you can understand meetings from a Christian perspective.
Why Go To Meetings
The purpose of going to meetings is to reinforce that you need to go to more meetings. Having been a worker, I can guarantee you that it is not to confess your sins, nor to fellowship with God, nor to increase your faith, nor to obey God. The purpose of going to meetings is for the idolatry of the workers. I will prove this to you in the following paragraphs. Please remember that I use to be a worker, have led the meetings, have attended meetings for years and used to be a strong supporter of the 2x2 religion.
Meetings Not For Confessing Sins
To confess your sins, you must realize you have sinned. Sin is the transgression of the commandments of God. The workers don't believe in keeping the ten commandments, and because of this don't believe they have sinned when they break the commandments of God. If the workers, as the teachers of the 2x2s, don't believe in sin according to the Bible, then how could the friends of the workers? Meetings are not for confession your sins. But what does the Bible say?
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
Meetings Not For Fellowship With God
Are meetings for fellowship with God? Sure the friends of the workers and the elder in the meetings talk about God don't they? Let's think about this. How can you fellowship with someone if you don't know who they are? How can you know someone if you haven't learned about them? So Jesus Christ came down from heaven and took on the form of a man and claimed to be God in the flesh. So surely if the meetings were for the fellowship with God, that people would praise Jesus Christ. But instead we allowed and so promoted the praise of workers. How many times have you heard the friends of the workers praise the workers? Ok, now how many times have you heard the friends say "Praise God!" or "Praise Jesus Christ!"? But don't take my word for it. If you are "professing" and allowed to take part in meetings, and are going to give your testimony, try this experiment: For your testimony, read Matthew 28:9, and I will list it here:
Matthew 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
So here you have the disciples worshiping Jesus Christ. Now the Bible teaches us that we are to only worship God. So if Jesus Christ was not God, then he should not be worshiped. But clearly the disciples (being Jews who knew you could only worship God) knew who Jesus Christ was, and worshiped him as such. So you can say in your testimony, "I want to be like the disciples of Jesus Christ, realizing that He is God and want to worship and praise Jesus Christ." Do you feel uncomfortable already? Is this strange to you? Please consider, if you think meetings are about the praise and worship and fellowship of God, then what spirit are you really of, if you don't feel comfortable worshiping and praising Jesus Christ?
Ok, here's another verse to read in your testimony. And by now, I hope you realize that I'm playing in a way. I would not expect a non-Christian to feel comfortable worshiping and praising Jesus Christ. This is my point. Meetings are not about the love of God or fellowship with God. You should know that if you dared to believe the Bible and confess with your mouth in a meeting where the overseers or workers are present that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, that you will very likely be asked to not take part in the meetings ever again until you deny that Jesus Christ is God and profess that the workers are the only true servants of God! If you don't believe me, just try it. :)
Here's another verse you could read in your testimony.
Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
And then you could say in your testimony, "I don't want to be like the disciples who doubted that Jesus Christ is God." How many people in the meeting would cringe at your testimony? Maybe you are laughing now. I hope so. And you say "ha ha, Brad, you are trying to get me into trouble by getting me to believe the Bible, and then provoke all the others in the meetings because they don't believe in Jesus Christ, nor that he is God." And I would say, "Yep, you're catching on." My point really is not to get you into trouble, my point is that I want you to see that meetings are not of God, but about idolizing the workers. For example, now instead say in your testimony
"I just am so thankful and praise the workers who have laid down their lives so that I could profess and go to meetings".Would the elder of the meeting or anyone else even flinch? No way. They promote this. And I haven't even given you my most powerful arguments yet!
Meetings for Destroying Faith in God
So far I've given you reasons as to why meetings are not for confession of sins, nor fellowship with God. Next I would like to point out that meetings are for the destruction of faith in God, and not for faith in God, but rather faith in the workers. I believe my example above about giving a testimony of faith in God would be sufficient, but let me give another just so that you know there multitudes of reasons for my apparently bold claims. Let me explain the old and new testament first:
What is a Testament?
A testament or will or covenant is made before someone dies. Likely your parents or some older people you know have made wills. It is common. A will is what you want done when you die. In this world where many disregard God, they keep and observe the will of their parents and of strangers. Laws are set in place to honor a person's last will and testament, whether the person who died was good or bad.
A will only goes into effect when a person dies, and not before. You of course have heard of the "Old Testament" which is the will or testament of God. Now God did not die, but the covenant was established with the blood of bulls and goats. The Old Testament is the ten commandments spoken to Moses and written by the finger of God on two tables of stone. God wrote his own will in stone. The old will or old covenant or old testament, the two tablets of stone with the ten commandments on them, were put into the ark of the covenant (a box that held the covenant or testament or will of God). These ten commandments are the written word of God and the work of God. They were his covenant with his people. He was their LORD and God and they would be his people. This all happened about 2670 years after creation, which is about 3,300 years ago.
If you want to read about this in detail (please do), then you can view this scripture among many places including Exodus 19,20. The ten commandments are referred to in the Bible as "the law of God".
Along came a prophet, named Jeremiah. He was a man of God, sent by God to speak God's word to the people. He prophesied this:
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah was told to prophesy the coming of the new covenant. For a covenant to be established, a person must die and/or blood be shed. Have you ever heard of Jesus Christ? Of course you have. It was by the death and shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ that the New Testament was established. So then, what is the the will of Jesus Christ? What did Jesus Christ want done when he died? Reread Jeremiah's prophesy again. It tells in detail the will of Jesus Christ, which is the Will of God. The New Testament is the will of God. The New Testament is the will of Jesus Christ. It's the same thing, because Jesus Christ is God.
Have you ever said that you wanted to be in the center of the will of God? Did you even know the will of God? This is it. You probably know more than half the workers about the will of God after reading just a fraction of this page so far.
Where am I going with this? I'm wanting to explain to you that the overseers, workers, elders and their friends don't even believe in the Father or the Son of God. And after I explain to you the New Testament, then it should be obvious. Even if you don't agree with my claims before regarding meetings, or with my examples, you should read this next part about what the New Testament is so that when you say to others the Bible is made of the Old Testament and the New Testament you will at least have some idea of what you are talking about. So let me explain the New Testament.
The New Testament, Will of Jesus Christ/God
As mentioned earlier, the new covenant or new testament was spelled out in detail by Jeremiah. It is quoted again by the apostles. You should know that the apostles merely quoted the prophets. The prophets quoted God. So if a person despises the apostles, they are despising God. If we despise God's prophets, we despise God. Let's read in Hebrews about the New Testament or the will of Jesus Christ - what Jesus Christ wanted done when he died on the cross and shed his blood:
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
You may say to me, "Brad, that's just a quote from Jeremiah". Yes, you're right. There is nothing new. The apostles wanted people to fellowship with God and have faith in God, so they repeated and explained the prophets. And the prophets wanted people to have faith in God so they just quoted and repeated what God said. So now think about this, why aren't the workers wanting you to have faith in Jesus Christ and worship Him as God?
Ok, so when Jesus Christ died on the cross and shed his blood, his will went into effect. Do you think Jesus Christ was good or evil? Doesn't matter regarding a will, does it? Even a wicked man's will is honored by pagans. So do the workers honor the will of Jesus Christ? God said "I will put my laws into their mind and write them in their hearts". The law of God is the ten commandments. Have the workers taught you about the ten commandments? Have they honored the will of Jesus Christ/of God? Ask a worker to list the ten commandments. Ok, stop laughing and keep reading. Do you see, not even the will of God is honored by the workers! So meetings are not about faith in God, nor doing the will of God, but idolatry and the will of the workers.
Are Meetings to Obey God?
If you were to obey God, you would keep the will of Jesus Christ. As shown earlier, meetings are not for confessing sins, nor fellowship with God (How can you fellowship with someone you don't know?), nor having faith in God, nor for obeying God. How can any of the friends of the workers or elders ever obey God if they don't know God, don't believe Jesus Christ is God, don't honor the will of God (but state they want to be in center of God's will)? You see it's a bunch of nonsense. But let me state my most powerful argument. Meetings are for the damnation of the workers and their friends. That' bold. Have you ever heard a worker tell you not to partake of the bread and fruit of the vine? What is the bread? What is the fruit of the vine? What does it represent? Let's turn in the Bible to Luke 22, the last Passover of Jesus Christ where he explains these things:
The Last Passover or Supper of Jesus Christ
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Jesus Christ said, "This cup is the new testament in my blood..." What is the new testament? Jeremiah prophesied of it. It's quoted in Hebrews 8. The new testament as Jeremiah said and quoted in Hebrews is the law of God written in our minds and our hearts. So the cup of communion, represents the new testament in Christ's blood. And here you have overseers, workers, elders and their friends drinking from the cup and ALL THE WHILE rejecting the will of God, rejecting the ten commandments written in their minds and on their hearts. What does the Bible say about partaking of the cup unworthily? What does the Bible say about professing one thing and doing another? Paul explains this very clearly in his letter to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 11.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
So here's the 2x2 meetings in a nutshell: Meetings are not for confession of sins, nor fellowship or faith in God. What IS done at meetings, is the unworthy partaking of the bread and fruit of the vine by overseers, workers, elders and their friends..the partaking of it unworthily which is eating and drinking damnation to themselves, not discerning the Lord's body.
Understanding Meetings from A Christian Perspective
I know God. I believe in God. I have faith in God and honor the will of Jesus Christ. This is what I see goes on in meetings: members of the 2x2 religion eating and drinking damnation to themselves because they don't know God nor understand the will of God, which is the ten commandments (God's law) written in our minds and hearts.
Do you see that you do or don't know God? Do you praise and worship God? Do you know who God is? Do you honor the will of Jesus Christ? Do you believe in the New Testament?
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