The 2x2 god Changes

I am upset about the portrayal of God changing from age to age. I dont' believe such a thing. While the 2x2s purport that the 2x2 god is the same yesterday, today and forever, it does not match their other teachings. It seems to be used selectively in a twisted way to insinuate that only workers who go out in pairs are the true servants of God. They claim two by two workers must go out in pairs as in Matthew 10, but they don't follow other parts of Matthew 10.

Saved by Grace

Some claim, we don't have to obey the law because we are in the "age of grace" and are saved by Grace. This insinuates that God has changed regarding how people are saved. It is a half-baked idea. Workers preaching the "age of grace" insinuate that people in Old Testament were not saved by grace. I don't buy that.

This man-concocted teaching contradicts so much of the Bible. I say, "Please tell me of any soul who isn't saved by grace through faith in God. Adam? Abel? Abraham? Isaac? Jacob? Judah? Moses? Aaron? David?...." Ok, I know because I can read the Bible myself. They are all saved by grace through faith in God. Nobody has been saved by their own works. Jesus Christ himself was perfect and also had perfect faith in the Father. I don't see anything taught in Bible about anyone not being saved by grace through faith in God. The Bible teaches salvation through faith in God.

"Age of Grace" is Purported

The workers sometimes talk about the "Age of Grace". William Irvine prophesied that the "age of grace" would end. Hmmm. So, where's this idea come from that we are in the "Age of Grace"? I looked up in Bible two words: "age", "grace", nothing! No reference to "age of Grace" or verses with "age" and "grace" in same verse. Plus, if someone is going to teach that we are now in the "Age of Grace", then what age do they believe we were in before, the "age of works"? And when did this "age of works" begin or end and when did the "age of grace" supposedly begin?

"Old Law", "New Law" - It's Not in Bible

2x2s talk about the "old law" and "new law". But again, upon looking this up in the Bible, there are no references in the Bible to "old law" or "new law". There were covenants and testaments and a new covenant, but it all involved the same law. the New Testament was "the law" written on our hearts. Is is not "the new law" nor "the old law", but "the law". I read no instance in the Bible where God changed the law? I don't see two sets of 10 commandments in the Bible. If somebody can find them, then where? Use the form at the bottom of the page. I don't find it anywhere. Yes, Jesus Christ died on the cross and paid the penalty of my sins. And this doesn't change any laws anywhere. Two by twos make up new phrases which insinuate things that they want other people to believe, such as "old law" and "new law". It is wise to search and read the scriptures to see if what you are told is something the Bible teaches or not.

Jews and Gentiles - Different Rules?

Some workers claim that the Jews are under the law but the Gentiles are under grace. Where is this taught in Bible, pray tell me? Are the Jews to keep the sabbath but not Christians? Are the Gentiles supposed to be saved by grace but the Jews by works? Paul didn't teach this. Paul rebuked the Jews who taught salvation through works.

The sabbath is a perpetual covenant. It began in Genesis 2 when there was neither Jew nor Gentile. So when does God make a perpetual covenant that is not perpetual? Are the Jews now supposed to keep the law from their hearts and the Gentiles not? Is there one rule for Jews and others for Gentiles? Are there laws for Jews and not Gentiles? Is their grace for Gentiles and not Jews? Can you show me a Jew saved by works? I don't know of any.

Exodus 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Law is Bad - 2x2s Claim

Some two by twos claim the law of the Old Testament is bad and "negative" and was done away with. Where is this taught in the Bible? It isn't. Contact me through the form below with verses if you think the law of God is bad. The Bible in old testament and new testament, the prophets and the apostles alike teaches that the law is good and holy.

Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Children Confused with Multiple gods

The whole 2x2 religion is so confusing; workers are bashing the god of the Old Testament and claiming the new god of the New Testament wants workers in pairs. Bashing a so-called "old law" and claiming man-made rules of: meeting attendance, supporting and agreeing with the workers etc - a works based system on outward appearance. I don't see how a child could be happy in a 2x2 home with multiple portrayals of a changing God - different from old testament to new testament, old laws and new laws and one god for Jews and another god for Gentiles. It's no wonder why there aren't children in the cult praising the LORD as they get older. It's no wonder they quit asking questions which lead to more confusing theological ideas that are not in the Bible. It's no wonder the 2x2s don't claim to believe in the ten commandments of God. Here is the beginnings of the 10 commandments of God:

Deu 6:1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it: That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

The Bible teaches that there is one LORD, just one.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.


  • Can you find the term "old law" in the Bible anywhere?
  • Can you find the term "new law" anywhere in the Bible?
  • Can you find any evidence in the Bible of God changing from works to grace for salvation?
  • Can you find any support for the idea "age of grace"?

The 2x2 god of the workers' making keeps changing. Their rules change. God is perfect. His law is holy and just. Salvation is through faith and by the grace of God. The workers themselves will not promise salvation through keeping their rules, nor could they deliver on that promise.

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