Are 2x2s Saved?

Are 2x2s saved? To answer this question, I turned to the scripture. There are marks in a Christian life that cannot be found in a 2x2s life.

Faith Without Works Leads to Hell

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men...

Faith Without Works is Dead

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Born Again

Before I was saved, I knew about God. I could tell you fascinating things about God and the earth he created, but I hadn't experienced God's work of salvation. I had professed. I could give a testimony. I could preach. But I didn't know God. I could just talk about Him. The day came when I realized I was just all a form and empty inside. I came to read and believe in keeping the commandments of God. I beleived that God really meant what He said. That showed me to be a hopeless sinner. I knew I believed in God. I chose to. But I didn't undrstand who Jesus was and why I needed Him. When I realized Jesus paid my price so I could be reconciled to God, it made me appreciate and love Jesus Christ. I never loved Jesus Christ before. I could say I loved God, but I couldn't figure out Jesus Christ. Before, I was mimicing the workers and others, but I didn't have the daily experience of putting my faith in God. I was born of the will of the workers before, not of the will of God. After being born again, of the will of God, my life changed radically and I knew where to put my faith and who to trust. When I was born again, I knew that I was saved. God had created a new life in me and dependency on Him that I never had experienced before. There is a massive difference between mimicking and being.


When I left the cult because of the abuse and slander and because I believed Jesus Christ's commandments on how to deal with offenses, I had decided that it was better to follow the Bible rather than the 2x2 workers of iniquity. I was putting my faith in God. I still didn't understand much of the Bible, especially after being a worker, but I was determined to at least believe something in the Bible instead of ignore what I did understand. Because I put my faith in God, I was rejected by the workers. I wanted to know the mind of God. Because I put my faith in God, the 2x2 friends rejected me, slandered, libeled and belittled me. They knew that my faith wasn't in their way anymore. Because I was trusting God and putting my faith in what I saw in the Bible, I started to read more about the God of heaven and earth that I didn't know about before. The God of Abraham, Issaac and Jacob as portrayed in the Bible was much different than the God and Jesus that I knew about before. I began to toss out old ideas about professing and required meetings in the home etc that I had been taught before. To my astonishment, these teachings weren't even in the Bible! I started doing Bible studies. That was when I learned about the commandments of God and saw that I was a wretched man. I started going to a church, and asking questions. They didn't like the questions and I got canned responses which didn't align with the scripture. So I quit going to that "church" and started studying on my own. There are not many people around that want to just study the Bible for what it does teach. I posted on message boards for several years. I found many people had left the cult and had not been born again either. They didn't understand the evilness of the cult teachings. They were under a spell (see Sorcery) as I had been and were taking a long time to wake up.

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


Once I learned the sovereignty of God and his dominion over all things, I came to hate the lies taught by the 2x2s. Not only did they try to mimic the Christian church, but they were very subtle in their teaching. They were very careful in their wording and the oldest ones, I found, knew what they were doing. They were purposefully deceiving people. I came to hate the 2x2 way of the workers with a passion. I started this website to warn people about how insidious, tricky, deceitful and tricky their followers can be. I found the 2x2 way was idolatry of a 2x2 god/version of God and Jesus that did not exist. It was a form with no power. It was a form that destroyed people's lives (and others' lives) from the inside out.


After I was born again, works of God started appearing in my life. I reached out to others in the community, donating to homeless shelters, organizations providing clean water for people I had never met, soup kitchens, and poor children in countries I had never been too. I didn't feel sorry for spending this money or time this way. God was using my life as if it were His own. Because I was just doing what I saw my heavenly father doing. I was learning how to love others as Jesus loved others. My works before were works of idolatry: I went to meetings, I thanked the workers, I fed the workers, I clothed the workers, I gave the workers cash or cashier's checks (they didn't want personal checks), I had them over to my home, I went to conventions and listened to their preaching, I went to special meetings. I went to Bible studies. I brought people to meetings. I helped people who were elderly get to meetings. All my works were around idolizing the workers and their followers. See Idolatry. All my works were for the approval of the workers and the followers. It could all be seen of men. What a contrast between the works of God in helping people I would never meet and idolizing the workers and their way!

Tit 2:6 Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded. In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity, sound speech, that cannot be condemned; that he that is of the contrary part may be ashamed, having no evil thing to say of you.

As a 2x2 teenager, I wasn't even taught uncorrupt doctrine. Paul's writings to Timothy are far different than 2x2 teenagers I saw before and hear about today.


2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Before I was saved, I had fellowship with darkness. I went to conventions, special meetings, Sunday morning meetings. I believed and idolized the workers. After I was saved I did not fellowship with 2x2 cult members.

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?


We all serve a master. Satan was my master before, but he appeared as a minister of light.

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

I obeyed the workers. They took all my money. They separated me from my family. They deceived me. They nearly killed me through willful neglect at the first convention I went to. My faith in them was unprofitable and was of sin leading to death.





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