Sunday Morning Meetings
Sunday Morning Meetings - What are Sunday Morning Meetings?
Sunday Morning Meetings are meetings established and approved of by overseers of the 2x2 religion. Although the followers of the 2x2 religion call themselves "the friends", they are a far cry from the Quaker religion. The Sunday Morning Meetings are held in the homes of professing elders who have been specially chosen and appointed to this place by overseers and the popular opinion of workers. Sunday morning meetings are only believed to be valid if they are approved of by the local overseer and workers.
Why are there Sunday Morning Meetings?
Early on when William Irvine began preaching his new gospel, there were no Sunday morning meetings. Everyone either had to sell everything and give it to him, and become a worker to be saved, or they were going to hell. Later on, William Irvine started Sunday morning meetings for supporters of his religion, to give them an alternate place to go instead of the local churches which he despised. So Sunday Morning Meetings are some place where 2x2 followers must go instead of fellowshipping with Christians.
Where are Sunday Morning Meetings Held?
The Sunday meetings are held in the morning in an elder's home. Elders have to be approved by overseers to have a meeting in their home. The overseer's workers have in their possession a list of the approved elders and approved meetings.
A person who sets up their own Sunday morning meeting without the workers' approval would be kicked out. A person setting up their own Bible studies without the workers' approval would be kicked out. The overseers and workers want control over everything. A person who attends a Sunday morning meeting or bible study that wasn't approved by the workers would be kicked out. This scenario has happened repeatedly in CANADA.
How Many Sunday Morning Meetings are There in a Large City?
For example, in Portland Oregon, on the east side of the Willamette River, there are about 8 Sunday morning meetings. In smaller towns like Wilsonville, Oregon, there may be only two Sunday morning meetings. And of course small towns usually have none.
Who Goes to Sunday Morning Meetings
Followers of the 2x2s (the "friends") go to Sunday morning meetings every Sunday. It is an "unwritten rule" that if you are "professing" then you must attend Sunday morning meetings every Sunday and "take part" (participate in prayer and "testimony") to maintain your standing. Kids of professing parents are often required to go to meetings and sit still.
Sunday Morning are 1 Hour Long
Sunday morning meetings are 1 hour long. This is a common rule taught by overseers around the world. One hour is considered about the longest that little kids in the meeting can try to sit still. If meetings consistently go over one hour, sometimes followers will complain to the workers who will then remind the elder to keep the meetings under one hour.
How to Find a Meeting
Traveling or visiting followers of the 2x2 religion can call the overseer of the state or the workers assigned to the field to find out which home they are meeting in. The person taking the call will typically screen the person. If they think the person is "one of the friends" then they may give out the address of where a close Sunday Morning Meeting will take place.
If the person who takes the call doesn't want the person attending the sunday morning meeting, or the overseer has banned this person from attending, they simply won't tell the caller where the meeting will take place and will not tell them the time of the meeting.
If a person is able to find where the meetings are held, and the time they are held, and then the elder has other ways of preventing them observing the meeting. The elders' homes are considered private property, and anyone they don't want to attend can be kept from gathering there. The morning meetings are led by elders who are typically the owners of the house.
Leaders of the Sunday Morning Meeting
If an overseer or worker is going to attend a Sunday Morning Meeting, then it is common that they will phone the elder in advance to let them know they are coming. In the presence of an overseer or worker, the elder is required to let the overseer or worker lead the meeting.
Sunday morning MEETINGS of the 2x2 religion are required common doctrine of the 2x2s world wide. The 2x2s meet on Sunday mornings in the home of an ELDER that has been appointed by the OVERSEERS and WORKERS to lead the meeting in worshiping their god in a method prescribed by William Irvine and the OVERSEERS.
The advantage of having the Sunday morning meetings on the private property of a PROFESSING ELDER is that the OVERSEERS can instruct the ELDER to disallow a non-PROFESSING person onto the property if they are teaching Christian things in a meeting. At some point the OVERSEERS resort to physical force if their spiritual craft does not work on a non-PROFESSING individual.
Sunday Morning Meetings - A 2x2 Requirement
2x2s must believe that Jesus instituted "MEETINGS IN THE HOME". If 2x2s fellowship with Christians or attend fellowship services with Christians, then the ELDERS and WORKERS will have a TALK with them.
SUNDAY MORNING MEETINGS - WORKERS Twist Scripture to Justify
SUNDAY MORNING MEETINGS as the OLDER BROTHERS, OVERSEERS and WORKERS teach cannot be found in the Bible. To justify this core doctrine of theirs, they point to the verses in the Bible that lists the church in the home. They ignore the fact that the word "church" as used in the Bible refers to disciples of Christ, not to 2x2 followers. And of course the church is in homes. The church in the Bible refers to people, and yes, people live in homes or houses. One or two places in the Bible it refers to the church gathering in a home and this was because they feared the Jews. Typically the church met at synagogues, the temple and wherever people were gathered to hear public preaching.
Rom_16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my wellbeloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.
As you can see, it talks about the church (believers) that are in their house, not the church that MEETS in their house.
1Co_16:19 The churches of Asia salute you. Aquila and Priscilla salute you much in the Lord, with the church that is in their house.
Again, here it says the "church that is in their house", NOT the church that "holds SUNDAY MORNING MEETINGS in their house".
The Purpose of Sunday Morning Meetings
The purpose of the groups' Sunday morning meetings is to reinforce what they WORKERS have taught the FRIENDS. The PROFESSING FRIENDS recite back in short speeches something they call "TESTIMONIES". This recitation process is called "GIVING YOUR TESTIMONY" or "TAKING PART".
Sunday Morning MEETINGS - Who Can Participate
Only people who have PROFESSED in a TESTED MEETING of the WORKERS are allowed to take part in MEETINGS. Only PROFESSING people can pray during the scheduled prayer time and give their TESTIMONY during the time alloted to TESTIMONY. If a new person tries to TAKE PART in the meeting, they will be allowed and then later the WORKERS will have a TALK with them to get them to PROFESS. If they don't PROFESS, then they are asked to quit TAKING PART in the MEETINGS.
Against Bible - Sunday Morning Meetings
In the Bible, Christians met in the evening on Sundays. They kept the sabbath (our FRI from sundown to Saturday sundown) and Sunday was the first work day of the week. So, of course, they met in the evening after they had done their work. Of course, evening on Sunday is Biblically a MONDAY to us in our calendar system because our Sunday evening is actually the Biblical Monday since a Biblical day consists of the evening and the morning. The evening comes first. See Genesis 1. So from the Bible we see that the pattern was to meet on Sunday evenings, not Sunday mornings. And also Christians met in homes because of fear of the Jews. They also met at synagogues and in the temples. But 2x2s meet on Sunday mornings instead of Sunday evenings. They won't meet in snyagogues or in temples. And they don't keep the sabbath like the Christians did. They don't follow any of the traditions or customs and most certainly don't keep the commandments of the LORD.
Sunday Morning Meetings - Christian Doctrine Forbidden
In Sunday morning meetings, only things allowed by the WORKERS are talked about. Christian teaching is not allowed. Christians are not allowed to participate unless they think they can get a person professing to be a Christian to come to meetings and PROFESS.
No Judgments Allowed in 2x2 Sunday Morning Meetings
1Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Judgment of the heresies of the workers is not allowed. Giving your testminony about it being a sin to live in adultery or divorce and remarry while first spouse alive is not allowed where overseers preach their own doctrine instead. While Christians as read about in the Bible were to judge, the friends of the workers are not allowed to judge the heresies or speak out against them. Doing so will result in their "PART being taken away". Basically, they are considered to be no longer "professing". Which shows that professing doesn't mean that they profess anything. It's considered a symbol of allegiance and membership to the cult. Because a person can be a 2x2 in heart and profess to be a 2x2, but yet people will not call them professing if a worker has taken away their part in the meetings. This again shows the deconstruction of words by 2x2s in an effort to manipulate and deceive people.
Women Lead Sunday Morning Meetings
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Evidently, overseers, workers, elders and the friends don't believe Paul's writings are the commandments of the LORD. But actually, even if they did believe they were the commandments of the LORD, they wouldn't follow them anyway.
In 2x2 Sunday morning meetings, women workers / sister workers even take authority over men elders to lead the meetings. This appears to be quite different than what is in the Bible. In the Bible, you don't have any women apostles either.
Paul's warning to Timothy
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Commandments of the Lord
1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Freaky to "Outsiders"
Unbelievers (in the 2x2 way) are not typically welcome in Sunday morning meetings. The "outsiders"/unbelievers are usually required to be conditioned by many evening preaching services before being brought to a Sunday morning meeting. Most people would freak out the first time they went to a Sunday morning meeting if that was their first meeting. I brought a woman to a Sunday morning meeting and she left as soon as it was over and called it a "cult".
Speaking in Tongues
Workers do not believe in speaking in tongues. They believe it is "of the devil". But what does the Bible say about speaking in tongues?
1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Women in Meetings
Women are not commanded to keep silence in meetings. In fact, women workers may lead a meeting and male elders are to be subject to them because they class of "worker" is greater than the class of "elder"
Where's the Doctrine?
For all the talking that the workers of iniquity do and all their followers, it is amazing that none of them that I have met can list the doctrines of the workers. They obviously don't meet as Paul wrote to the Corinthians. The Corinthians had a doctrine in their meetings.
Sad and Depressing
Meetings are so sad and depressing to me now. I don't go to meetings now, of course. People recite and repeat what the workers have told them and how they have been put down. When I remember back, meetings were so depressing. It is like listening to nervous, scared kids trying to laugh and joke but all the while under the influence of an abusive father.
This is probably the best word to describe the cult's most intense meeting, the Sunday AM meeting. It is so freaky that they avoid bringing "new outsiders" to the meetings because it will scare them off. The silence is eerie. Plus, the looks you get if you talk make people afraid for their soul. This is why they try to acclimatize people first with "gospel meetings".
You Tube example of 2x2 meeting
Why do People go to meetings?
Family possibly. Lots of them, and very stressful to tell them I don't want to go anymore. I do enjoy Sun AM meeting for the most part. I don't go to gospel meetings. I struggle with it all. I'm not real comfortable making a change - altho, as many meeting folks feel, I don't feel saved. Somedays I just want to scream - it's all so deep and way over my head. If I just live and enjoy my life it seems as tho it's wrong. Unless of course you have a spouse who is totally involved as the other and they can share it all together. It's confusing to say the least. - under name of "Guilty" on message board
Neighbors to 2x2s
Neighbors may only notice that their neighbors have people over once a week. They may or may not know that it is a "religious" service. About 5-20 people may show up. The cars may take up part or all of the block. They may hear some singing come from the house. They may see a woman bring a child out of the house and spank them. Neighbors know very little of what goes on and it's preferred that way. Many 2x2s probably haven't even thought of what "meetings" look like from their neighbor's perspective.
Buildings for Sunday AM meetings
The people usually meet in the home of a male "elder" that has been chosen by the workers. Read also about 2x2 elders. Sometimes elders will add on to their home so that they can have a Sunday AM meeting or a WED Bible study. About twice a year they will meet in a rented hall for Special Meetings or at a large building built for the purpose of their annual group conventions.
Strongest Mind and Behavioral Control
Sunday morning meetings are the time when the workers followers berate themselves and repeat to themselves and each other how much they need to change (but don't) and how nice the workers are for saving them. Sunday morning meetings are held by almost all 2x2s. All 2x2s are expected to meet at the Sunday morning meeting that they have been assigned to by the workers in their field.
Expectations of "Professing People"There are certain expectations of professing people in meetings:
Quietness used for Mind Control
2x2 Sunday morning meetings start with everyone arriving 10 minutes early as requested by the meeting leader. They are to remain silent so the workers and elders can enjoy the "peace" before the meeting which allows them to enjoy the "spirit of the meeting". If their meeting starts very quietly, the worker may announce that he/she really appreciates the quietness or the "spirit of the meeting". This does not refer to the Spirit of God, but rather the spirit they feel at their meeting. They are to silence all their thoughts and get ready for their session.
How a Meeting Goes
Conflicts within Meetings2x2s that are divorced and/or remarried and who do not get along with other people are split up to go to different meetings to avoid "spectacles" or "divisions".
Embarassment and Disassociation
An interesting thing that I noted about meetings (as I was on my way out), was talking to people as if their thoughts and feelings were real. After the meeting I might start a conversation about them with what they said in their testimony. It made them very uncomfortable. It made people uncomfortable to look them in the eye when they were giving their testimony. People tend to look down. I tried looking at other people and talk to them as I gave my testimony. This made them uncomfortable. It was as if they were all going through their routine and wanted to get it over with and forget that "meeting" just happened. As if they felt guilty about it, that it was something weird that they did and didn't want to talk about it.
Meetings - Home|
Sunday Morning Meetings
Why In Homes?
Never Go to Meetings
Not of God
2x2 Bible Studies
Dying to Yourself
Meetings in the Home
|To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. - Jesus Christ speaking to Saul, see Act 26:18, see Salvation through Jesus Christ.|