Workers Claim to be Apostles
2x2s believe that workers are apostles and the apostles were the first workers. They omit that they have no record past William Irvine of their organization.
The 2x2 workers like to insinuate that they are apostles of Jesus Christ. William Irvine claimed that he got a "special revelation" (supposedly from God) that his workers were apostles. This delusion continues today.
2x2s believe that you must get a revelation from God that the workers are apostles. It's a lie - a delusion. Workers depend on this "revelation" for their other lies to work. They know that if you accept them as apostles of Jesus Christ then they can use this as leverage to compel you to obey them or you will be "rebelling against God".
Trying Those Who Claim to Be Apostles
How do you know if a person is an apostle of Jesus Christ? Well, you try them.
Revelation 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Signs of an Apostle
The 12 apostles raised the dead, cleansed lepers, healed the sick, cast out devils. I have never seen a worker have any signs of an apostle.
Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ. Signs followed, showing he was an apostle.
Act 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
1Ti_1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
Act 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.
Act 16:9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them.
Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19:11 And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul: So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.
Acts 23:11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.
Acts 28:3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.
Acts 28:8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him. So when this was done, others also, which had diseases in the island, came, and were healed:
Galations 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
Apostle - Definition
How do you tell if someone is an apostle of Jesus Christ? I think you already know.
Workers like to say that "An apostle simply means 'a sent one'." Ok, let's use that definition. The workers then are apostles of the overseer.
Jesus Christ taught the 12 apostles to preach repentance (forsaking and turning away from) sin (sin is transgression of law). Jesus commanded them to raise the dead, heal the sick, cleanse lepers. Ever see a worker do those things? Read Matthew 10. Workers don't have a baptism of repentance where people confess sins. Worker don't teach people to obey the law of God. They don't even believe in the New Testament / the last will and testament of Jesus Christ(Hebrews 8) which is the law of God (ten commandments) written on our hearts and minds.
Many 2x2s Believe: The Workers Preaching from Platform is Inerrant Word of God
This reminds me of Catholicism, but it's in the 2x2 religion. Many 2x2s believe that when a worker speaks from the platform that this is the Word of God. If you believe this then you can throw away your Bible because the two do not agree.
Workers Want Idolatry, not Apostleship
Either way you look at it, the overseers and workers want people to idolize them, esteem them higher than God. This is called sorcery. And their followers do idolize them. This is shown in that the 2x2 disciples will follow the counsel and teachings of workers above the commandments of God. In fact, 2x2s strive to please the worker and don't even teach or believe in following the ten commandments of God.
Even if you use the name "apostle" (which I have no problem with) to describe workers, it means nothing good on its own. Workers are not apostles of Jesus. The workers are "sent ones". Yes, the workers are sent. And by whom are they sent? Who sends out pedophiles into people's homes? They are sent by their overseer. You can have apostles of thugs - people sent out by thugs. You can have apostles of gang leaders. How glorious is that apostleship?
If the workers believe they are sent ones, then by their own definition then other ministers are "sent ones". A worker, called an apostle, would be one sent by the overseer, which is accurate. But that doesn't mean their are sent by God, rather the opposite. Overseers teach heresy, so it is nothing to boast of if you are an apostle of a heretic.
So what then? If all ministers of churches are sent ones, then why do the workers make a big deal of it? Just because they want to be called "apostles" does not mean they are apostles of Jesus Christ, like the 12 apostles were. They can be apostles or ministers of Satan. Satan has ministers too. They have yet to make the case that they are "apostles of Jesus Christ" (and they cannot). The apostles did not go around telling lies about how they started, covering up child sexual abuse and teaching their own rules in place of God. There were 12 apostles of Jesus Christ according to the Bible. And their names are written in the foundation:
Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Apostles? But sent by Who?
Since an apostle is a "sent one", the question needs to be answered, "Sent by who?". It is common knowledge that workers are sent out to preach the doctrine believed by their overseers. So let's be concise and clear: 2x2 workers are apostles of their overseers. Not so glamorous sounding now?
Names of the 12 Apostles
There are twelve apostles listed in the Bible. The quickest test to see if someone is an apostle of Jesus Christ is to just check their name against the list of the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ. If they're not in the list, then they are not an apostle of Jesus Christ. The apostles of Jesus Christ were people who saw Jesus Christ and were called directly by Jesus Christ. The Bible is not vague. Let's look at some names of the apostles.
Matthew 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
I don't see any overseers names listed there.
Luke 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.
No overseers or workers names listed here either.
Mathias Replaced Judas
Acts 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, that he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Mathias took the place of Judas who betrayed Jesus.
And then there was Paul, who Jesus Christ appeared to in person and called to be an apostle.
1 Corinthians 9:1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
1 Corinthians 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Sent by God
You may think that looking at the list of names is simplistic. If so, let's keep reading in the Bible. God didn't leave me helpless. He gave me a lot of facts and truths to believe in that would help me and keep me. God's Word preserves me soul from wicked men and women. I was going through searches in the Bible on the word "apostle" and "apostles", and then I came across this verse:
Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Please note that Jesus sent out the 12 apostles. Nobody else sent them out. Would you describe workers who molest kids as harmless as doves or wolves? How about a male worker who seduces your wife? Dove or wolf? If you cannot figure it out, ask your spouse.
Acts 22:6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest. And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.
All the twelve apostles and Paul had seen Jesus Christ. They were all commanded by Jesus Christ to go preach.
Do you Buy this?
Say someone claims to be sent by God by molests children and claims that God wants him to be homeless and stay in the homes of people, including your home. Is this a person sent by God? No, absolutely not. That's ridiculous. So we can rightfully conclude that is someone claims to be sent by God and continues in evil works, then they are a worker of iniquity, a minister of Satan and not an apostle of Jesus Christ.
When I was 18, I offered for the work. I was called by the workers to preach their gospel. I was accepted by the overseer. I became a worker for the overseer Howard Mooney in 1989. I had not seen Jesus Christ. I did not know the gospel of Jesus Christ. I did not know God. I could not even list the ten commandments of God. And yet I had attended meetings devoutly for all my life! I had professed at about age 10 and baptized into the workers' way when I was about 11 or 12. I was sent to my first field with Randy Russell under the order and command of Howard Mooney. We preached teachings and doctrines that Howard Mooney approved of. My companion Randy Russell told me what I should not speak on in meetings. I was told to change my preaching when outsiders were in the meeting because they would not understand the words we were using (like friends, workers, professing etc). In short, I was an apostle of Howard Mooney, sent by Howard Mooney and preached the 2x2 Way for Howard Mooney. I was not preaching, nor was I allowed to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and baptism of repentance. Let's move on to more verses in the Bible. It's fantastic that the Bible has answers to so many questions.
Seal of Apostleship
1 Corinthians 9:2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
Paul is saying that these people, the Corinthians, were the seal of his apostleship. Now that's interesting. Certainly a person can tell a lot about an apostle by the people they convert to their faith. If you are a 2x2, then consider the fruit of a workers. What is common among the friends of the workers? Let's make a list:
I would say that the seal of the workers' work are the friends. And when I see their hatred and prejudice against Christians, I want no part of them. When they tell me they don't care or believe that their is child sexual abuse going on by overseer and workers, then this tells me a lot about them and who they have been brainwashed by. When I saw how they treated my friend Phu Nguyen and back-stabbed him and told lies about him when he was down and hurting, I was horrified. And when I stood up for Phu and read and prayed with Phu, they hated me. Yes, Paul the apostle of Jesus Christ knew what he was talking about. You can tell whether the workers are of God by looking at their friends. Let's continue looking at some other verses pertaining to being an apostle.
Known by Fruits
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Let's look at the fruit of the workers:
The WORKERS preach to insinuate that they are the ONLY TRUE SERVANTS OF GOD, but according to the Bible, they are doing the work of Satan. The WORKERS work together with the OVERSEER. Some of the WORKERS and OVERSEERS have and will sexually abuse children. The OVERSEERS have known about these crimes and moved the criminal WORKERS to other FIELDS to avoid prosecution and try to cover up the crimes. The WORKERS have told people to shut up and heal in silence. Child sexual abuse is sin. Living in sin is not a good fruit. I know all the WORKERS don't commit child sexual abuse. But I know many WORKERS have affairs with the FRIENDS spouse's in their FIELDS. And this is sin. Having affairs with their married followers is sin. BROTHER WORKERS have affairs with SISTER WORKERS. This has happened time and again. This is sin. Many WORKERS live in sin. I could go on and on. And there are WORKERS who have not sexually abused children nor had affairs. But yet they are in fellowship with these people who continue to live in sin and will not change. And they continue to preach that they are the ONLY RIGHT WAY. They preach things against the teachings and doctrine of Jesus Christ. Is this not a lie? Is not Jesus Christ the Way? You cannot believe the WORKERS and believe in God at the same time. I don't care if the WORKERS are young women workers who look so innocent. It doesn't matter. If they preach lies and fellowship with child sexual abusers and unrepentant adulterers and people who cover up crimes against children, then they are not good people and definitely not sent by God.
So my conclusion is that all the WORKERS are living in sin. They commit sin, cover up sin, are in fellowship with people who love the sin and they lie about themselves being the ONLY WAY to heaven. This is the fruit of the OLDER BROTHERS, OVERSEERS, WORKERS, ELDERS and the FRIENDS and it is bad, wicked fruit. Their fruit and what I saw while in the WORK shows that they are not sent by God, but sent by OVERSEERS and are called by the OVERSEERS and WORKERS, not God. There were many cults started between 1880 and 1950. This is just one of many groups who claim that they are the only way and that they are the only true servants of God.
Certainly if you have a question, why not just ask someone who should know? I wondered if workers taught that they were apostles of Jesus Christ, so I emailed Jay Wicks and asked him. Jay didn't answer my question fully, and he would not answer any more emails.. This was his response
First off, I have made up my mind. Jay Wicks certainly is not an apostle of Jesus Christ. Once I got to know God by reading the Bible and quit going to meetings, this was very obvious. Clearly Jay didn't want to keep a dialog going. Most WORKERS are afraid to put things in writing. They like to converse with YES people, people who agree with whatever they say.
Here's some interesting points to make in Jay's email. He gives a simple definition of just the word "apostle" and then asks other to make up their mind. But he didn't answer the question. "I don't suppose..." My question was whether he viewed himself as an "apostle of Jesus Christ" like Paul or Peter, because I know they view themselves as the only true apostles of their god. It's not like Jay Wicks has never wondered before if he was an apostle. This is a fundamental core teaching of the 2x2s.
And by Jay Wick's definition, many ministers would be called apostles, but by the same definition he gave, he would refuse to call them apostles. Of course, I could ask them if he believes that Christian preachers are apostles too, but Jay would never answer. While he says he feels secure in who he is, he would not answer any more emails. Many have gotten to know whether Jay is an apostle by his fruit. His father is Milo Wicks, the ELDER who went out at night with Phu's wife, and told Phu to move back to Vietnam!
. When I was in the WORK, Randy Russell, my older companion told me that as WORKERS, we were following Matthew 10. But Randy "spiritualized" away Matthew 10 as he went over it with me. He didn't like it when I asked him why we didn't "shake the dust off our feet". How was a person ever supposed to tell which part of the Bible is to be "spiritualized" and what to be taken literally? A younger WORKER can never please an OLDER WORKER and maintain their integrity. I could never understand the Bible by being taught by WORKERS. How horrible to have to discount God and count God as not credible to try to read the 2x2 cult into the Bible! If you read Compare Workers to Apostles, I go through Matthew 10 line by line and show you how workers are nothing like apostles and how they were sent out by Jesus Christ to the Jews.
Do You Think the Workers are Apostles?
If you think the workers are apostles of Jesus Christ, I would love to hear from you. Just tell me what signs the Bibles gives for apostles and give examples that you have seen and witnessed of the workers being apostles of Jesus Christ. Use the form below. Thanks
If you thought the workers were apostles, but have changed your mind, then I encourage you to repent of your idolatry, bring fruits of repentance and confess your sins to Jesus Christ who will forgive you and can save you. God saves. Be born of God, not the will of men.
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|To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. - Jesus Christ speaking to Saul, see Act 26:18, see Salvation through Jesus Christ.|